This talk between me and Sara is about success, failure leadership and inviting positive change in uncertainty.

We know each other for many years and have had different career paths, working styles and personalities but we also have so much in common!


Listen to our honest, informal, raw discussion about career, growth mindset, success and failure. We share our life stories and the journey with our unlikely careers.


Authenticity - Clarity and the Connection to our inner-self is the essence for both of us. YOUTUBE